This recent conversation on The 20′ By 20′ Room strikes me as an example of how people using different jargon (or differing understandings of the same jargon) sometimes have a really hard time communicating. Among the commenters are people who don’t know what DIP or DAS means, people who are fuzzy on their Forge terminology, and people who (like me) have no idea what the heck aerobic gaming vs. anaerobic gaming is supposed to mean. Throw all of that together and I think the result ended up being people spending more time and energy defining (and redefining) terms than about the original topic of DIP and DAS in indie games.